Forest and Trees posted by Dave E Martin @ Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:37:47 -0000

Dave E Martin — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:37:47 -0000

I’m wondering if the HI diagram on page 81 should still “work” if you know about it? I’m curious about what others’ experience is with it. I always see a large H made of little I’s (and I also think of an iron I-Beam), no matter which eye I look at it with or how quickly.

But, I wonder if thats because I know about it, or I looked at it with both eyes first, or if I’m really one of the “cooperative” (for lack of a term at the moment) even though I am by no means a math prodigy.

Generational Affinity posted by Ned Hogan @ Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:16:05 -0000

Ned Hogan — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:16:05 -0000

I found chapter 5 fascinating. As the oldest of 8, I am in theory a Prophet. I tend toward the Nomad as I was born on the Boomer side of the cusp. My wife is in theory a Xer, but born on the cusp, she is the youngest of her 5 siblings. I wonder if anyone has done any studies in this regard. My wife tends to be more of a Boomer and I tend to be more of an Xer. The influence by her older siblings must of made an impact on her and the influence of my younger siblings must of made an impact on me.

Great book!

In Chapter 2 the reference to the nurses case study seems redundant posted by Peter Prokein @ Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:31:22 -0000

Peter Prokein — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:31:22 -0000

I just came across the book today, downloaded the sample pages, and I have to agree that there’s what appears to be quite some filler fluff in the pages that I have seen so far. Between the nurses and the cooks, and repetitions on how experts differ from novices, I was quite disappointed.

I own a few books by Pragmatic Programmers, and the titles I own didn’t disappoint, so it was surprising to see what appears to be a departure from content in favor of filler. That also makes the glowing reviews of the book (presented as quotes) look odd.

Would love to hear what others who have read the whole book have to say about the “signal to noise” ratio.

Is mind a thing or abstraction? posted by Yuli Vasiliev @ Sat, 15 Nov 2008 09:17:09 -0000

Yuli Vasiliev — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 09:17:09 -0000

Brains and mind are like hardware and software respectively. If you have a computer with software running on it, does that mean the computer is a thing but software is an abstraction, not a real thing? Okay. We used to think that a thing is something that can be seen, touched, and so on.

However, the scope of our organs of sense is limited. The ability of the instrumentation we use to see more is limited too. And the main problem is that the way in which we tend to cognize the world around us is also limited. It’s hardly our fault, though. We are what we are – not less but not more.

Mind is definitely one of those things that are mostly beyond our understanding. Probably that’s why Andy reckons it among abstractions. But any abstraction is a product of our mind. Can an abstraction produce an abstraction? At first glance, it seems possible – often, one theory is based on another one and so on. However, facing the truth, such a chain of abstractions is nothing but product of our mind in the first place. Only real things can produce something, including abstractions. Abstractions in turn are always products of, well, real things.

programming as the glass bead game posted by Andrew Dent @ Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:43:51 -0000

Andrew Dent — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:43:51 -0000

Haven’t read your book yet but Dick Gabriel has a section on the GBG in his excellent “Patterns of Software”, now available from his site as a free PDF http://www.dreamsongs.com/Files/PatternsOfSoftware.pdf which I recommend to anyone who missed it when it was in paper.

Final version for download posted by Andrew Hunt @ Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:43:19 -0000

Andrew Hunt — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:43:19 -0000

The final PDF is out, and we’ve started shipping paper books already (it usually takes a couple of days to get them all out).

Enjoy!

/\ndy

Final version for download posted by Anthony Monday @ Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:17:19 -0000

Anthony Monday — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:17:19 -0000

it is ready now john

Final version for download posted by John Ibarzabal @ Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:30:26 -0000

John Ibarzabal — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:30:26 -0000

When will the final version of the book be available for download?
I have read here that it was sent for press already.

Thanks

Last Beta posted by Andrew Hunt @ Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:41:44 -0000

Andrew Hunt — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:41:44 -0000

Well this is it! We’re headed off to the printers now and should have printed books available in just a coupe of weeks.

Thanks to everyone for posting errata and asking questions, it is assuredly a better book for your efforts.

/\ndy

Release date posted by Andrew Hunt @ Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:51:54 -0000

Andrew Hunt — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:51:54 -0000

Today, in fact. All errata reported to date has been cleared, all text content is complete.

It’s off to the copyeditor now, then on to index and final layout. I’ll be fixing some of the diagrams between now and then, and of course anything else ya’ll find.

thanks!

/\ndy

Release date posted by Andrew Hunt @ Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:11:11 -0000

Andrew Hunt — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:11:11 -0000

Soon.

/\ndy

Release date posted by Anthony Monday @ Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:38:09 -0000

Anthony Monday — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:38:09 -0000

What’s the release date for the pdf with errors corrected?

Artists and other weirdos posted by Andrew Hunt @ Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:43:51 -0000

Andrew Hunt — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:43:51 -0000

Well that’s a really good question. I hope that you’ll find it interesting, if for no other reason than to gain insight on this intense L-mode types :-)

Please let me know if you find the book useful, or if you have any suggestions for things you’d like to know (feel free to email me personally as well).

/\ndy

Artists and other weirdos posted by Courtney Nielsen @ Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:20:16 -0000

Courtney Nielsen — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:20:16 -0000

Hi there, I’m an “r-mode” type (and the son of a 60’s-era psychotherapist) that picked up this book with intense curiosity. I am about 60 pages into it (as shown in the title of this thread) but wondering if its a book mainly aimed at L-mode types looking to utilize their R-mode more. But how about the opposite? Is this a book worth reading for those artist & weirdo types who are trying to be better at their L-mode? Im the ‘visual designer’ at a startup amongst an army of L-types, and they’re giving me grief for not seeing things the way they do ( I could say the same, but I am outnumbered).

Thanks, quite a good read anyways and I intend on finishing it.

-Court

Working With Knowledge or Manage Focus ? posted by Anthony Monday @ Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:43:18 -0000

Anthony Monday — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:43:18 -0000

I see.. thanks

Working With Knowledge or Manage Focus ? posted by Andrew Hunt @ Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:59:09 -0000

Andrew Hunt — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:59:09 -0000

They are the same—I renamed the chapter, as “working with knowledge” is only a part of the larger topic of Focus in general.

/\ndy

Working With Knowledge or Manage Focus ? posted by Anthony Monday @ Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:21:48 -0000

Anthony Monday — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:21:48 -0000

For once, I thought chapter 8 used to be ‘Working with Knowledge’. It is now ‘Manage Focus’, are there referring to the same thing?

Chap 8 & 9 posted by Andrew Hunt @ Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:33:11 -0000

Andrew Hunt — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:33:11 -0000

Thanks! I’m finishing up the last real chapter now, and hope to post it to beta sometime in the next couple of days (ish). Then there’s the final, summary chapter, followed by a massive pass through the whole wad cleaning up stuff.

Please be sure to post errata and suggestions, especially for topics you’d like to see more of, or topics you think I’ve spent too much time on.

/\ndy

Chap 8 & 9 posted by Anthony Monday @ Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:41:54 -0000

Anthony Monday — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:41:54 -0000

When is Chapter 8 and 9 coming out? I’m eager for more…

Suggestion for fixing future spelling and grammar errors posted by Andrew Hunt @ Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:18:56 -0000

Andrew Hunt — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:18:56 -0000

Anthony,

We do use spell check, but of course for various reasons mistakes do creep in. That’s why we use professional copy editors upon publication. Without them, Beta versions will necessarily be a little rough around the edges.

/\ndy

Suggestion for fixing future spelling and grammar errors posted by Anthony Monday @ Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:47:43 -0000

Anthony Monday — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:47:43 -0000

I want to suggest that writers do a spell and grammar check on their word processor before releasing a new beta version. Some of the errors can easily be rectified by using automated check. Examples like repeated words such as “the the”. If automated check procedure is in place, then readers can help by focusing now on the more serious errors..

Tookit or Toolkit posted by Joshua Foster @ Sat, 21 Jun 2008 03:10:26 -0000

Joshua Foster — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 03:10:26 -0000

Sure, wasn’t totally sure where to post them. Learn something new every day :)

Tookit or Toolkit posted by Andrew Hunt @ Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:54:58 -0000

Andrew Hunt — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:54:58 -0000

Joshua—

Thanks for spotting these, but could you please post to the errata database at http:/pragprog.com/titles/ahptl/errata ?

thanks.

/\ndy

Tookit or Toolkit posted by Joshua Foster @ Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:15:20 -0000

Joshua Foster — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:15:20 -0000

people and people on pg 147 should probably be people and dumb people…

Tookit or Toolkit posted by Joshua Foster @ Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:00:59 -0000

Joshua Foster — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:00:59 -0000

Pg 122 FXRuby Toolkit…

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Forest and Trees posted by Dave E Martin @ Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:37:47 -0000

Generational Affinity posted by Ned Hogan @ Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:16:05 -0000

In Chapter 2 the reference to the nurses case study seems redundant posted by Peter Prokein @ Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:31:22 -0000

Is mind a thing or abstraction? posted by Yuli Vasiliev @ Sat, 15 Nov 2008 09:17:09 -0000

programming as the glass bead game posted by Andrew Dent @ Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:43:51 -0000

Final version for download posted by Andrew Hunt @ Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:43:19 -0000

Final version for download posted by Anthony Monday @ Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:17:19 -0000

Final version for download posted by John Ibarzabal @ Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:30:26 -0000

Last Beta posted by Andrew Hunt @ Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:41:44 -0000

Release date posted by Andrew Hunt @ Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:51:54 -0000

Release date posted by Andrew Hunt @ Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:11:11 -0000

Release date posted by Anthony Monday @ Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:38:09 -0000

Artists and other weirdos posted by Andrew Hunt @ Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:43:51 -0000

Artists and other weirdos posted by Courtney Nielsen @ Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:20:16 -0000

Working With Knowledge or Manage Focus ? posted by Anthony Monday @ Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:43:18 -0000

Working With Knowledge or Manage Focus ? posted by Andrew Hunt @ Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:59:09 -0000

Working With Knowledge or Manage Focus ? posted by Anthony Monday @ Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:21:48 -0000

Chap 8 & 9 posted by Andrew Hunt @ Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:33:11 -0000

Chap 8 & 9 posted by Anthony Monday @ Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:41:54 -0000

Suggestion for fixing future spelling and grammar errors posted by Andrew Hunt @ Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:18:56 -0000

Suggestion for fixing future spelling and grammar errors posted by Anthony Monday @ Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:47:43 -0000

Tookit or Toolkit posted by Joshua Foster @ Sat, 21 Jun 2008 03:10:26 -0000

Tookit or Toolkit posted by Andrew Hunt @ Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:54:58 -0000

Tookit or Toolkit posted by Joshua Foster @ Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:15:20 -0000

Tookit or Toolkit posted by Joshua Foster @ Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:00:59 -0000